Nic Pizzolatto and Suzanne Santo talk candidly about why romance, success, and creative achievement fail to save us and why belief, responsibility and meaning endure. A reflective conversation on marriage, faith, creativity, and living well in a distracted modern world, with a brief discussion of True Detective.

CHAPTERS 0:00 - Origins 6:40 - Success Myth 14:55 - Romance Fails 23:30 - Belief Endures 32:10 - Creative Cost 40:45 - Modern Noise 49:20 - Marriage Truths 58:05 - Responsibility 1:07:10 - Quiet Discipline